the committee chairman is congressman jim jordan. what do you want to do? cut for people of? >> no, we want to help them get to a better life. what you need to do is create programs that actually help people get to a better life. john: ever done before. >> you do it by not waving the work requirement like this administration did. you -- john: to be fair, they have not totally waived a work requirement. they let some states experiment. >> they also let some states not have a work requirement and there sang were not going to require that one key element that helps people get to the american dream, experiences. did the job. that is what we want to see. that key ingredient to accomplish anything that we all learn. john: how? that was already in the original welfare reform act? we have a new welfare reform act, updated version. >> for trying to get a handle on all of the social welfare spending the federal government does. estimates are 600 billion the year when you factor in medicaid and the 70 plus different programs that are out there. john: the original act was just welfare. d